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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209509768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209509768">(Sep 09 2020 at 13:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I won't be able to attend today, sorry</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514058" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514058">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514135">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514151" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514151">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> meeting time!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514163" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> kennytm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514163">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>O/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514255" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514255">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, let's start!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514286" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514286">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have a nominated PR: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/76272">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/76272</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514293" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514293">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Skip CI when drafts are opened</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514377">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd personally prefer to keep running CI for draft PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514421">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>as we don't have capacity issues for PRs right now and if notifications are noisy we can disable RLA instead</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514431">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>what do y'all think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514451">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this is more a documentation issue than anything else</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514477">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>new contributors don't feel comfortable using CI capacity</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514492">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>they think it wastes resources</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514528" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> kennytm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514528">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>they can still use the <code>[skip-ci]</code> commit message if they are truly worried?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514564">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>does that actually work with GHA?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> kennytm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514587">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure <span aria-label="upside down" class="emoji emoji-1f643" role="img" title="upside down">:upside_down:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514590">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>As I said there I'm unconvinced anything needs to change. We could amend the highfive intro message to say "Hey using CI is fine!"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514655">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209514590">said</a>:</p>
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<p>As I said there I'm unconvinced anything needs to change. We could amend the highfive intro message to say "Hey using CI is fine!"</p>
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<p>this doesn't help if they never make the PR in the first place because they're worried</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514712" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514712">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.community/t/github-actions-does-not-respect-skip-ci/17325/9">https://github.community/t/github-actions-does-not-respect-skip-ci/17325/9</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514729" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514729">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="281757">@Jubilee</span> what do you think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514743">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> how would you propose solving the documentation issue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514763" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514763">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this should change in the dev guide</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514790" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514790">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>although we already say it's ok to use CI ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514829">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>There was also the suggestion to not auto-assign a person while it's draft.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514890">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I would have used that feature for my recent CI tinkering)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514928">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116155">Jake Goulding</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209514829">said</a>:</p>
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<p>There was also the suggestion to not auto-assign a person while it's draft.</p>
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<p>unless they use <code>r?</code>, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209514988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209514988">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>r? @ghost is what I do for that, but I guess that's "advanced"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515012">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also not documented ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> kennytm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515016">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>it should still auto-assign a person after undrafting the PR (unless with explicit <code>r? @ghost</code>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515037">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>it also crashes highfive <span aria-label="laughing" class="emoji emoji-1f606" role="img" title="laughing">:laughing:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515041">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>So if people are worried about taking up human resources or machine resources are distinct but related.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515179" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515179">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>(like, continue to use it, but the reason we do <code>r? @ghost</code> is that it crashes highfive <em>before</em> it does anything with the PR)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515184">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me doesn't have time to implement changes for this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515217">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm pretty much fine with whatever, I won't use draft PRs probably anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515401" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515401">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, to wrangle this discussion a bit, it seems like instead of that PR those could be the action items:</p>
<ul>
<li>document that it's fine to use CI on rustc-dev-guide (even though <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> says it's already documented?)</li>
<li>change RLA to avoid posting comments in draft PRs</li>
<li>avoid highfive auto-assigning people in draft PRs</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515421">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>does that seem correct? and is anyone willing to do the work?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515459" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515459">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209515401">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>so, to wrangle this discussion a bit, it seems like instead of that PR those could be the action items:</p>
<ul>
<li>document that it's fine to use CI on rustc-dev-guide (even though <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> says it's already documented?)</li>
<li>change RLA to avoid posting comments in draft PRs</li>
<li>avoid highfive auto-assigning people in draft PRs</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I think the documentation is <em>hard to find</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515491">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that should change in <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1380">@WG-rustc-dev-guide</span> , not in infra team IMO</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515512">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am missing why disabling RLA is beneficial.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515668">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209515459">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209515401">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>so, to wrangle this discussion a bit, it seems like instead of that PR those could be the action items:</p>
<ul>
<li>document that it's fine to use CI on rustc-dev-guide (even though <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> says it's already documented?)</li>
<li>change RLA to avoid posting comments in draft PRs</li>
<li>avoid highfive auto-assigning people in draft PRs</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I think the documentation is <em>hard to find</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> I'm not sure how to make it noticeable though, other than a neon banner "hey feel free to open in-progress PRs and Use CI for them", which we can't really do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515741">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> I think people maybe get annoyed with the messages?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515863">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm. I think if CI is going to run, then we should try to be as helpful about interpreting the CI results as we can (which is what RLA is for, right?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515881">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>to give you an idea, this is where it's currently documented: <a href="https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/building/prerequisites.html#hardware">https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/building/prerequisites.html#hardware</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209515930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209515930">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is not exactly easy to find</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516019">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>honestly I think putting it anywhere in rustc-dev-guide is not going to reach <em>everyone</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516057">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it's not like we have better places</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516090">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah :/ I think a message by high-five would definitely be helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516117" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516117">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it just also won't reach <em>everyone</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516288" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516288">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the highfive message is also getting too long, so adding things to it might not be beneficial</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516291">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>default PR text? Maybe?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516295">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we have a PR template? Could be there for the people who get that far.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if people just have a gut feeling that opening a PR is "bad" they aren't going to second guess themselves and go looking.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516429">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116155">Jake Goulding</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting/near/209516295">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Do we have a PR template? Could be there for the people who get that far.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I like that idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516605" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516605">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I do feel that we're not going to be able to help people who don't get to PR phase</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516657">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if they think they should hold off on a PR, then there's really nothing we can do <em>in the PR</em> to help them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209516823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209516823">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517010">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess a "It's also fine to use CI to test whether a change works, if you have trouble running tests on your computer." line in highfive won't hurt for people who end up opening the PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517050" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517050">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>perhaps s/if//</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517074">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do that and I have good hardware :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517106">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>fair <span aria-label="laughing" class="emoji emoji-1f606" role="img" title="laughing">:laughing:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517151" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517151">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok let's wrangle things up a bit, what do y'all think of the proposals?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517224">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>disable CI for draft PRs</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517270" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517270">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>disable RLA for draft PRs</li>
</ul>



<a name="209517337"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517337">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>improve the documentation in rustc-dev-guide to say it's fine to create in-progress PRs and use CI on them</li>
</ul>



<a name="209517422"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517422">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>add a line to the highfive message saying it's fine to use CI to test things</li>
</ul>



<a name="209517502"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517502">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>add a PR template saying it's fine to use CI to test things</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517577">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> I think I caught all options, please vote!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517600" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517600">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'll cast mine by removing the other emoji once things have settled)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517658">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>For ones I have no strong opinion on, would you rather no vote or an "abstain" vote?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517806" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517806">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> added emojis for that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517897" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517897">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok also casted my votes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209517900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209517900">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know you like your numbers to tally up :-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518010">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds like this just needs to change in the dev-guide then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518051" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518051">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll open an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518111">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> for doing that, and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="281757">@Jubilee</span> for starting the conversation!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518171">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll close the PR after the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518173">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>moving on!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518215" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518215">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are no other issues for us to look at</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518226">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>the only item on the agenda is "Start gating macOS on both Azure and GHA"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518318" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518318">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>github seems to have fixed most of the spurious errors in macOS on GHA, so I think we should try and start gating on both macOS platforms again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518385" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518385">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>and wait a week or two to see if spurious failures happen before making a decision</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518388">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel fine doing this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518394">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>what do y'all think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518598" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518598">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok then! I'll open PRs in a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518624">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's all from the agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518665">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>does anyone have items to bring up? <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518669">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on this topic, or should we move on?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if we should move on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518690" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518690">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(otherwise we'll end the meeting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518749">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> if you're so scared of ending the meeting you can always propose other topics <span aria-label="upside down" class="emoji emoji-1f643" role="img" title="upside down">:upside_down:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518767">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>opened <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-dev-guide/issues/866">https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-dev-guide/issues/866</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518852" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518852">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Proposal: who will tell me how to setup sccache "like CI" locally so I can see if that's what causes ARM macOS to not work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518884" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518884">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's a really good question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518952">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we can discuss that async</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518961" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518961">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks everyone for attending!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518970" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518970">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518971">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>certainly :-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518974">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209518988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209518988">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209519075" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> kennytm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209519075">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209519224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209519224">(Sep 09 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/67357">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/67357</a> should also be closed then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09%20meeting/near/209543740" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/2020-09-09.20meeting.html#209543740">(Sep 09 2020 at 17:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not great at being awake at 0700. <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span> Sounds good~</p>



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